Episodes

Monday Dec 26, 2022
E254 | Dr. John Kiely: The Power of Placebo in Sport, Management and Life
Monday Dec 26, 2022
Monday Dec 26, 2022
“Seeing is believing, but sometimes the most real things in the world are the things we can’t see.”
I’ll credit Tom Hanks and The Polar Express with this quote. And although it’s a children’s Christmas movie, it couldn’t hold more true in the real world today.
In today’s episode, Dr. John Kiely explains how our beliefs impact our physical, mental, and emotional well-being, and gives us several tactical takeaways for success in any realm.
Well known for his role as a performance coach, Dr. Kiely has worked with athletes of all ages, in a variety of settings, including the 2018 FIFA World Cup, the 2015 Rugby World Cup, the 2008 Olympics, and the 2004 Paralympics, as well as both junior and senior IAAF World Athletics Championships. He’s a prolific writer, speaker, and presenter with more than 60 articles to his name and currently supervises professional doctorate candidates pursuing practice-based doctoral-level qualifications while working in professional multi-disciplinary performance environments.
To help us understand the complexity of the placebo effect and managing people, Dr. Kiely details:
- The different methods that can be used to manage high-pressure situations (17:20)
- The “secret” behind how the placebo effect works (42:25)
- How to leverage the relationship between pain and placebo (52:20)
- The danger of placebo’s evil twin and what thought processes to avoid (1:08:45)
Referenced Materials:
A fascinating landmark study of placebo surgery for knee osteoarthritis
A controlled trial of arthroscopic surgery for osteoarthritis of the knee
Attribution and Person Perception
Connect with Dr. Kiely:
Twitter: @simplysportssci
Instagram: @simplysportssci
Research Gate: John Kiely
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There are only a few days left in our holiday book sale. Please help us support the Leukemia Lymphoma Foundation and the Alzheimer's Association by purchasing a signed copy of Conscious Coaching. This is not only a great cause, but also gives us the chance to personally say thank you for supporting our small family-owned business. Your support makes a tremendous difference and we appreciate our community more than you know! CLICK HERE to make your purchase of $11.99/ each!
Today’s episode is brought to you by:
Momentous: With their new, melatonin-free sleep formula, I can enjoy the benefits of a great night’s sleep without having to deal with the next day's grogginess. All of their products are tested at the highest level, and they are for anyone who wants to feel better without overthinking their nutrition. Use Code: BRETT15 for 15% off your order.
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Monday Dec 19, 2022
E253 | Dr. Tasha Eurich: The Science & Strategy of Self-Awareness
Monday Dec 19, 2022
Monday Dec 19, 2022
Did you know there is NO POSITIVE CORRELATION between time spent trying to become self-aware and actually becoming more self-aware? (Eurich, 2017)
In short, additional self-reflection doesn't necessarily make you more self-aware.
This surprising finding has since fueled the career and research of Tasha Eurich, and inspired her to teach others how to enhance the quality of their introspection.
Tasha Eurich is an organizational psychologist, researcher, and New York Times best-selling author. Globally recognized as the #1 self-awareness coach, communication, and organizational culture expert, she uses science to help leaders achieve positive, measurable change.
In today’s episode, she shares several insights about the science and strategy of self-awareness, including:
- A tactical definition of what self-awareness is, and what it is NOT (12:20)
- The benefits and consequences of introspection (26:00)
- How to get GREAT feedback by asking the right questions (39:20)
- The seven types of self-knowledge that separate the aware from the unaware (58:10)
- You can also find these outlined in our FREE Downloadable Reflection Guide
To learn more about Dr. Eurich’s work, buy her best-selling book, and take advantage of her Insight Quiz, you can visit her website HERE.
Speaking of books, they make GREAT stocking stuffers! Please help us support the Leukemia Lymphoma Foundation and the Alzheimer's Association by purchasing a signed copy of Conscious Coaching. This is not only a great cause, but also gives us the chance to personally say thank you for supporting our small family-owned business. Your support makes a tremendous difference and we appreciate our community more than you know! CLICK HERE to make your purchase of $11.99/ each!
Now maybe you’re someone who is ready to move beyond books and dive deep into training your ability to navigate the dirty, messy realities of life and leadership. If that’s you, The Apprenticeship is exactly what you’re looking for. Check out the entire 2023 schedule, and find the location that best fits you! And if you didn’t already know, we will be going overseas in February to Sydney, Australia. So if you want to make a vacation out of your professional development, make sure to take advantage of the Super Early Bird pricing that ends on Christmas Day. It’s approaching quickly, so don’t wait! Sign up HERE today!
Lastly, we are extremely grateful to our podcast sponsors for helping us bring quality content to you week after week. Today’s episode is brought to you by:
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Monday Dec 12, 2022
E252 | Strategies for Combatting the Holiday Blues & Getting Out of a Rut
Monday Dec 12, 2022
Monday Dec 12, 2022
Comparison is the thief of joy, and FOMO is the enemy of you really valuing your own time, your own experience and your own perspective.
It can be so easy to get caught up in what we think we SHOULD be feeling during the holiday season - especially with the way it is promoted in all the cheesy movies, TV shows and social media.
So if you’re someone who struggles with this, or you know someone who does, its important to know you aren’t alone.
In fact, you fall into the majority.
Because there are so many people out there dealing with this, today’s episode is meant to address a number of factors we can control to improve our mood and adjust our perspectives and expectations of “the most wonderful time of the year.”
Here are just a few of the remedies you can implement:
- Motion is Lotion - how physical movement positively impacts your mood (18:10)
- Specific and simple strategies to change your environment (24:00)
- Why both pro-social behavior AND isolating yourself can be necessary (28:25)
- How to leverage your mood to benefit your productivity (41:30)
Referenced Materials:
AOC Podcast Episode 106 - Jesse Elis: The Authenticity Trap
AOC Podcast Episode 146 - How to Deal with Overwhelm & Burnout
As mentioned above, pro-social behavior can be a great tool to get you out of your holiday blues. Please help us support the Leukemia Lymphoma Foundation and the Alzheimer's Association by purchasing a signed copy of Conscious Coaching. This is not only a great cause, but gives us the chance to personally say thank you for supporting our small family-owned business. Your support makes a tremendous difference and we appreciate our community more than you know! CLICK HERE to make your purchase of $11.99/ each!
As promised in today’s episode, join our newsletter today in order to have exclusive access to our Wheel of Life guide. This FREE RESOURCE will help you to identify the specific areas of your life that may be causing your stress and anxiety levels to increase, so you can proactively address them.
This resource can be especially useful if you’re in a leadership position. The fact is that leadership is a full contact sport. And if you have done it long enough, at some point, you've likely felt like even when you tried to do things right that you're somehow failing or not living up to expectations.
It's also hard to have a clear mind if you never get a chance to talk out some of the issues or problems you're struggling with. For this exact reason, we now offer our 1-on-1 Art of Coaching virtual mentoring program. Coaches need coaches too, and that's the value we can provide to you if you let us. Submit a request form today for more information!
Today’s episode is brought to you by:
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BetterHelp: Listen, life does not come with a user manual. You don't need me to tell you that. So when it's not working for you, maybe you feel like you're in a funk, maybe you're having a hard time making a decision, maybe you just need somebody to listen to you. It is an asset to be able to reach out to the world's largest therapy service. Better help has matched 3 million people with Professionally licensed and bedded therapists that are available 100% online, and it's affordable. Go to betterhelp.com/aoc.

Monday Dec 05, 2022
E251 | My Best Tips for Learning More Effectively & Efficiently
Monday Dec 05, 2022
Monday Dec 05, 2022
How does one keep up with research, learning and reading while balancing a job, family and other life constraints?
Better yet, how do we learn more effectively and efficiently when there's an endless stream of information coming at us at all times?
My answer might surprise you.
In this episode, I go deep on the tools, strategies and framework I use to stay up to date, read broadly and apply constantly.
But the best part is that no matter your learning style, constraints or limitations, I promise there's something applicable for you:
- How to filter and prioritize which information to consume and when (11:45)
- The best way to transfer knowledge into wisdom (13:50)
- Different methods and techniques to index/ categorize your notes (23:50)
- Ways to use constraints to keep you on track (34:30)
Whether these tips are helpful or not, we would really appreciate your feedback! Please reach out to us at info@artofcoaching.com to let us know what was most helpful, what you’d like to learn or hear more about, or how we can provide you with more value!
If you have specific questions, you can submit them to us HERE at any time. Remember that the more context you give us, the better advice and guidance we can give.
Referenced Material:
Creating The Optimal Coaching Environment - Online Presentation
The Apprenticeship - Live event
Help us support the Leukemia Lymphoma Foundation and the Alzheimer's Association:
Each holiday season, we donate a portion of our signed book sales to these organizations. Because a core attribute of our business is conveying Midwest warmth and appreciation, we sell signed copies. This also gives us a chance to say thank you and personalize each individual copy. So if you want to donate to a good cause, and you know somebody that maybe would appreciate the book, or maybe you want to buy a bunch of them for your institution as other organizations have, or whatever it is, go to Brettbartholomew.net/signedcopy.
Today’s episode is brought to you by:
Momentous: With their new, melatonin-free sleep formula, I can enjoy the benefits of a great night’s sleep without having to deal with the next day grogginess. All of their products are tested at the highest level, and they are for anyone who wants to feel better without overthinking their nutrition. Use Code: BRETT15 for 15% off your order.
Dynamic Fitness & Strength: These guys are our go-to equipment partner. Fully customizable and manufactured in the heartland of America- whether you’re looking to outfit your home gym or entire weight room, visit mydynamicfitness.com to get started. Tell them Brett and the Art of Coaching Team sent you!

Monday Nov 28, 2022
E250 | Chris Do: Reinventing Yourself & Do What You Love
Monday Nov 28, 2022
Monday Nov 28, 2022
“You need to be able to communicate your ideas to other people, because whoever is the most effective [at] doing that wins the game.” (47:00)
When it comes to setting yourself apart in any field- whether that be art or finance, education or entrepreneurship- the skills of thinking critically, communicating effectively and learning continuously rise to the top.
And yet, these skills are seldom taught in traditional education or schooling.
Chris Do is trying to change that.
Chris Do is a self described “loud introvert”, recovering graphic designer, middle child, serial entrepreneur, Emmy award-winning director, educator and founder of The Futur. He has served as a chairman and advisor to several high level organizations, and has taught Sequential Design for over 15 years.
In today’s episode, Chris shares some valuable insights from his experiences, including:
- Specific tips for creating great content on a budget (19:00)
- Why you can’t afford to NOT take risks (32:00)
- How to overcome a career change (37:15)
- The 3 critical skills necessary to be successful in the 21st century (45:00)
How to connect with Chris:
All Social Media: @theChrisDo
Website: thefutur.com
YouTube (800+ videos)
Futur Podcast (Top 10 ranked for Marketing)
How Art of Coaching can help you:
If you are in a situation where you feel extraordinarily frustrated at work, maybe there's power dynamics or agendas getting in the way of the stuff you're trying to accomplish.
Or maybe you've just lost your spark because it seems like the organization doesn't want to change or is sterile.
Or maybe you're just looking for more feedback as a leader and you feel like you're not growing as much as you would like to.
If any of this sounds familiar, then make sure to check out our Live Events for 2023. We offer a wide variety of workshops that are all dedicated to helping people with these real-life situations.
Real Life happens in the gray area, there's no getting around that. And real leadership often requires a tremendous amount of improvisation or being able to think on the spot. This is exactly why tactical improv is a huge part of our clinics at art of coaching.
If you want to learn, you have to get hands on, you have to be able to explore the full range of your decision-making, your communication skills, your behaviors under pressure, and your ability to think laterally.
So don’t wait - find the right workshop for your needs HERE.
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Lastly, we cannot forget to thank our sponsor Dynamic Fitness & Strength for their support.
Dynamic Fitness & Strength is our go-to equipment partner. Fully customizable and manufactured in the heartland of America- whether you’re looking to outfit your home gym or entire weight room, visit mydynamicfitness.com to get started. Tell them Brett and the Art of Coaching Team sent you!

Monday Nov 21, 2022
E249 | Art Of Coaching Staff: The Most Important Things We Learned This Year
Monday Nov 21, 2022
Monday Nov 21, 2022
You’ve heard it said that experience isn't something you get until just after you needed it.
But that doesn't mean we shouldn't share our experiences in hopes they can help others not make the same mistakes we have.
In today’s episode, we're going to share some of the most valuable lessons WE learned this year.
Lessons learned from leading 23 live events (3 of which were brand new), partnering with 20+ incredible organizations, hosting 46 podcasts, releasing 110 newsletters, writing 500 social media posts, hiring two new full time staff members and countless other impactful moments.
Hear from each member of our staff as we recount both the successes and failures encountered along the way including:
Operations advice from Liz Bartholomew - Director of Operations (10:00)
Effective prioritization strategies from Ali Kershner - Director of Creative Strategy (20:20)
The benefits of exploring new sides to yourself from Bekah Gold - Chief Everything Officer (38:20)
Advice on job transitions from Nate Hoffmeister - Director of Strategic Growth and Business Relationships (50:10).
For the full list of the lessons we learned this year, and how you can learn from our mistakes and apply them to your own life, download our FREE Podcast Reflection Worksheets.
Referenced Resources:
Conscious Coaching Communication Challenge
The Apprenticeship Communication Workshop
AOC Podcast E100: Working With Your Spouse & Betting On The Future
AOC Podcast 49: Productivity The Matters
AOC Podcast E190: Why It Seems Like We Never Have Enough Time
AOC Podcast E142: Nate Hoffmeister: Dealing With Divorce: A Leader's Guide
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My last note for today’s episode speaks to something we do every holiday season. Each year we donate a portion of proceeds from my first book, Conscious Coaching, to the Leukemia Lymphoma Foundation and the Alzheimer's Association. We sell signed copies of my book, because a core attribute of our business is conveying Midwest warmth and appreciation. So it's a chance for me to say thank you, personalize these things and send them to you. So if you want to donate to a good cause, and you know somebody that maybe would appreciate the book, or maybe you want to buy a bunch of them for your institution as other organizations have, or whatever it is, go to Brettbartholomew.net/signedcopy.
Today’s episode is brought to you by:
Athletic Greens one is a critical part of helping me stay healthy throughout the year, especially right now, as we get into the holiday season. We are approaching the finish line, my stress is high, and it's remained high for quite a while this year as we've expanded. So having something like athletic greens to support my immune health has been critical. With athletic greens, you were absorbing 75, high quality vitamins, minerals, Whole Foods or super foods, probiotics and adaptogens to help you start your day right. For a free one year supply of immune supporting vitamin D as well as five free travel packs with your first purchase, visit athleticgreens.com/coach.
BetterHelp: Listen, life does not come with a user manual. You don't need me to tell you that. So when it's not working for you, maybe you feel like you're in a funk, maybe you're having a hard time making a decision, maybe you just need somebody to listen to you. It is an asset to be able to reach out to the world's largest therapy service. Better help has matched 3 million people with Professionally licensed and bedded therapists that are available 100% online, and it's affordable. Go to betterhelp.com/aoc.
Dynamic Fitness & Strength: These guys are our go-to equipment partner. Fully customizable and manufactured in the heartland of America- whether you’re looking to outfit your home gym or entire weight room, visit mydynamicfitness.com to get started. Tell them Brett and the Art of Coaching Team sent you!

Monday Nov 14, 2022
Monday Nov 14, 2022
It may go against our natural tendencies, but failing is a crucial and necessary piece of the puzzle.
When it comes to the process of coaching development, we must reembrace fear and failure. We will go nowhere if we prioritize acceptance and validation above growth.
Kirsten Ahrendt, a Head Coach and Director of Coach Development at Crossfit Invictus, emphasizes that it is the responsibility of the leader to create an environment that fosters this type of growth - one where people are celebrated when they admit their faults and supported in the reiteration and problem-solving process.
Kirsten is a coach and creative. Previously, she was a professional athlete (soccer and rugby), member of the U.S. 7’s Rugby team, graphic designer, business owner, geologist and a Cutco saleswoman. She thinks critically and creatively about the coaching profession and aims to inspire and educate other coaches to evolve society’s relationship with health, fitness and performance.
In today’s episode, Kirsten goes into depth about:
- The struggles she’s experienced in her career (1:00)
- The mindset she believes has helped her be so successful (6:00)
- Specific strategies to create an environment that fosters failing forward (35:00)
- How to change your mindset and develop confidence when selling you services (47:00)
Referenced Materials & Events:
Art of Coaching Recommended Reading List -
Never Split the Difference by Christopher Voss and Tahl Raz
To Sell Is Human by Daniel Pink
The Apprenticeship Communication Workshop - get the practice you need having those hard conversations in an environment that not only encourages it, but gives you a research-backed evaluation, feedback, and coaching on how you can improve!
You can connect with Kirsten and Crossfit Invictus on the following platforms:
Website: www.wellreadmeathead.com or Invictus Fitness
IG: @wellread.meathead or @crossfitinvictus
LinkedIn: Kirsten Ahrendt
Course: Invictus University
*ANNOUNCEMENT*
You've likely heard that phrase if you want to go quickly go alone. But if you want to go far go together. And we could not agree more, which is why we are proud to announce - after a lot of work - we are FINALLY launching our Art of Coaching Mighty Network. This is a private, non-social media-base digital community for Art of Coaching students to learn and interact personally with Brett and the entire AoC team - from the comfort of your own home! See what it’s all about and join the family HERE.
We have to be sure to thank our amazing podcast sponsors for their continued support! Today’s episode was brought to you by Athletic Greens,, BetterHelp, and Dynamic Fitness & Strength.
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Monday Nov 07, 2022
E247 | How to Deal with Know-It-Alls
Monday Nov 07, 2022
Monday Nov 07, 2022
They’re that person who ALWAYS has the answers.
They’re full of all the facts and stats, and can’t help but spew them out as if they got punched in the “random facts jejunum” (Jackie Moon reference anyone?)
If you know someone like this, or even if this person is YOU, today’s quick hitter episode explains the different reasons why people may act this way, and how we can better manage our conversations with them.
Keep in mind that these are very general strategies. At the end of the day, we want to help you learn HOW to think - not WHAT to think. So as you utilize these tools, be sure to consider all the details of your context.
The more specific the situation, the better strategy you’ll create.
Relevant AOC Resources:
- What Drives You? - Drives Assessment Quiz
- Drives (AOC Podcast E130)
- Power Dynamics (AOC Podcast E63)
- Influence Tactics (AOC Podcast E202)
- Context (AOC Podcast E95)
Our 1-on-1 mentoring and live Apprenticeship workshops both offer you the opportunity to gain experience having hard conversations, be coached and evaluated, and walk away prepared to have more successful interactions. If you love learning right along side other growth minded individuals, you can see our 2023 Apprenticeship schedule and Sign Up Here for your destination of choice.
However, if you prefer a more 1-on-1 coaching approach, take just a few minutes to fill out this form, and we will get back with you within 48 hours to schedule a free discovery session to find out how we can best add value to your career and life!
Lastly, we can’t express how thankful we are for our podcast sponsors, Momentous and Dynamic Fitness & Strength.
Momentous has done it again. With their new, melatonin-free sleep formula, I can enjoy the benefits of a great night’s sleep without having to deal with the next day grogginess. All of their products are tested at the highest level, and they are for anyone who wants to feel better without overthinking their nutrition. Use Code: BRETT15 for 15% off your order.
Dynamic Fitness & Strength: These guys are our go-to equipment partner. Fully customizable and manufactured in the heartland of America- whether you’re looking to outfit your home gym or entire weight room, visit mydynamicfitness.com to get started. Tell them Brett and the Art of Coaching Team sent you!

Monday Oct 31, 2022
E246 | Danny Matta: Social Agility & Unfiltered Leadership
Monday Oct 31, 2022
Monday Oct 31, 2022
It’s a timeless question: What makes a leader great?
Some will say it's empathy and compassion, others believe it's trust and accountability or the ability to inspire.
I'd argue it's none of the above but rather the skill of social agility- knowing what to be in the moment, in accordance with the context, combined with compassion- that allows a leader to truly stand out.
It's for this very reason that we wanted to talk to Danny Matta. With experience as a physical therapist in the military setting, an entrepreneur, CEO of a cash-based PT practice, author and now educator, it's safe to say today's guest Danny Matta knows a little bit about finding that social agility.
And the leadership advice he shares today comes form years of iteration, and a willingness to learn, adapt and grow.
With that said, as opposed to an interview, today’s episode is more conversational - like you’re eavesdropping on two people catching up over coffee. We cover a couple questions asked from our 30-day Challenge members, along with other topics such as:
- How being an authentic boss who cares about the wellbeing of your employees results in a more productive and happier employee (23:45)
- How to negotiate with somebody who may be hiding something or not telling you the entire truth (33:30)
- How to deal with the creeping fears of failure and/or success (55:00)
- How to get your point across when it seems like the person next to you doesn't really value your message (1:05:00)
You can find out more about Danny below:
Book - F*CK Insurance
If Danny’s entreprenueral story resonates with you, whether you have your own business or you do something on the side, be sure to check out our live Brand Builder Workshop. It is all about how you can get out of your own way, get the best ideas you have out of your head, and get them to the people that need the most. You can get an exclusive discount right now on ANY of our live events by going to artofcoaching.com/events, choosing the event you want to go to, and then just entering PODCAST10.
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Monday Oct 24, 2022
Monday Oct 24, 2022
From the outside looking in, there doesn’t seem to be a lot in common between negotiating with a criminal to release hostages and coaxing your child to turn in their homework on time.
And yet, in both of these difficult situations there are some common strategies that are overwhelmingly effective; Both require tactical listening, curiosity and patience.
Today’s guest, former hostage negotiator Derek Gaunt, teaches us how to approach high stakes conversations so you can better influence the other person and more effectively (and quickly) resolve conflict when there’s a lot on the line. Specifically, we discuss:
- Why hostage negotiation is the same as any negotiation
- How to remain curious in a triggering conversation
- Ways to practice negotiation without being in one
- The key to influencing to anyone and everyone
- How to deal with irrational people and behavior
Derek Gaunt is a lecturer, author of Ego, Authority, Failure©, and trainer with 29 years of law enforcement experience, 20 of which as a team member, leader and then commander of hostage negotiations teams in the Washington, DC metropolitan area. He is a hostage negotiation and incident command subject matter expert who frequently speaks at hostage negotiations and SWAT conferences across the country.
Connect with Derek:
- On Instagram: @derekmguant
- Via his website: Black Swan LTD
- Check out his book: Ego, Authority, Failure
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Oh, and just as a reminder- everything we do at AoC is about leadership development and absolutely nothing is specific to sport or training; Our focus and mission is to enhance your ability to connect with and build relationships with others. So whether you’re struggling with entrepreneurial, personal or professional issues- reach out to us! We have private and group mentoring, online courses and in person workshops.
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